In the words of eminent historian John Keegan, the genius of Winston Churchill in the run-up to WWII was that he managed to divide the world into those who were under the spell of Nazism and those who were against it, and created the impression that those against Hitler were the majority. For the War on Terror George Bush tried the same tactic in his now infamous “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.” speech. Do you think that this statement had the same effect as Churchill’s? Why or why not? Vote in the poll and explain how you voted below.
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The Populist added these pithy words on 27 Nov 04 at 9:34 pmNo, Bush did not galvanize the free world against terrorism like Churchill did against the nazis. First off, the terrorist threat is much more nebulous than hitler’s ferociuos wehrmacht. Second, Bush has lost the moral high ground by lying to invade Iraq.
However, I do think the 9/11 attacks have brought America into a global war of ideals, similar in ways to the crusade that was WW II. If we can ask why the Germans were radicalized into following Hitler, we can also ask what motivates Islam to terrorism. I think I have an answer: the link can be found here.
http://thepopulist.typepad.com/essays/2004/03/responsible_ter.html
Curzon added these pithy words on 28 Nov 04 at 4:38 amI happily voted for Bush over Kerry, but my biggest criticism of this administration is its tin ear. We could have many more countries on our side, or we could have plenty of our ally’s populations (Japan, the UK) more in-tune with the implementation of our strategies.
Ray Anderson added these pithy words on 28 Nov 04 at 10:14 amRe: Churchill v 43.
I voted “hard to say.”
A complete analysis will contrast the two governments and compare the realities of extant political environments, national and global. If our view is limited to mere personality and style we will ultimately devolve to arguments over campaign rhetoric, and to no satisfying effect.
It is reality that nations will always be more quickly and intensely galvanized against an enemy when directly attacked, invaded, or occupied, and less so where sovereignty seems less threatened. The decision always seems so pragmatic. The United States did not enter WWII because hundreds of thousands of Europeans had been killed or because Churchill so eloquently galvized our nation against nazism. We entered as a warfighting force only after we suffered a direct and devastating attack that very nearly destroyed the effectivness of our Navy.
Ultimately, it required no great diplomatic effort for Churchill to finally galvanize the free world against nazism. Hitler’s army, allied with Japan, significantly commanded the world’s attention. Those who attempted to appease the forces of tyranny did so a tremendous cost. Clearly, the death and destruction that plagued Itally in WWII was not a result of Churchill’s inability to effectively galvanize that nation against nazism. Similarly, the position of France and Germany (and others) with respect to the War on Terror has not resulted from Bush’s failure to galvanize Europe. If, God forbid, Europe suffers a massive system perturbation (Dr. Barnett’ phrase) similar to the 9/11 attack on the United States, their new best-friends will be George W. Bush and the United States Marine Corps.
Has Bush made mistakes? Did Churchill? Absolutely, on both accounts. Would any person in either position make mistakes of similar gravity, given the same set of circumstances? Of course. So the issue transcends Churchill vs Bush. If limited to these individuals, however, the only rational answer I can manage is “hard to say.”
Younghusband added these pithy words on 02 Dec 04 at 8:21 amGood post by Ray.
Maybe I should have put another answer: * It didn’t work.
I too think that this is a question of content, that the view people have of terrorism is fundamentally different than the view people of the 30’s had of Nazism. Terrorism is so hard to define, and as the old saying goes one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
I voted “hard to say” because I thought that the statement did well to galvanize Americans, but some other countries with different views regarding terrorism were possibly alienated.
I am glad to see that no one here stated anything about “delivery,” or about Bush being a so-called idiot and Churchill being a good speaker.
